It looks like a stretch to me, to call this a belief.
I’ve no experience of high-level golf, but I did at one time shoot on the county small-bore pistol team (before the law changed and the guns went away, but that’s even more of a mind-killing topic than politics in general). When I aim at a target with the intention of hitting it, belief that I will or won’t doesn’t come into the picture. Thinking about what is going to happen is just a distraction.
A month ago I made the longest cycle ride I have ever done. I didn’t visualise myself as having completed the ride or anything of that sort. I simply did the work.
Whatever wins, wins, of course, but I find either of the following more likely accounts of what this exercise of “belief” really is:
(1) What it feels like to single-mindedly pursue a goal.
(2) A technique to keep the mind harmlessly occupied and out of the way while the real work happens—what a coach might tell people to do, to produce that result.
In terms of control theory, a reference signal—a goal—is not an imagined perception. It is simply a reference signal.
It looks like a stretch to me, to call this a belief.
At which point, we’re arguing definitions, because AFAICT the rest of your comment is not arguing that the process consists of something other than “forming a mental image which you are not designating false, and acting as if it is true.” You seem to merely be arguing that this process should not be called “belief”.
What is relevant, however, is that this is a process of compartmentalizing one’s thinking, so as to ignore various facts about the situation. Whether you call this a belief or not isn’t relevant to the main point: decompartmentalization can be hazardous to performance.
As far as I can tell, you are not actually disputing that claim. ;-)
You can’t call black white and then say that to dispute that is to merely talk about definitions. “Acting as if one believes”, if it means anything at all, must mean doing the same acts one would do if one believed. But you explicitly excluded betting on the outcome, a paradigmatic test of belief on LW.
Aiming at a target is not acting as if one were sure to hit the target. Visualising hitting the target is not acting as if one believes one will. These are different things, whatever they are called.
You can’t call black white and then say that to dispute that is to merely talk about definitions.
Even if you call it “froobling”, it doesn’t change my point in any way, so I don’t see the relevance of your reply… which is still not disputing my point about compartmentalization.
It looks like a stretch to me, to call this a belief.
I’ve no experience of high-level golf, but I did at one time shoot on the county small-bore pistol team (before the law changed and the guns went away, but that’s even more of a mind-killing topic than politics in general). When I aim at a target with the intention of hitting it, belief that I will or won’t doesn’t come into the picture. Thinking about what is going to happen is just a distraction.
A month ago I made the longest cycle ride I have ever done. I didn’t visualise myself as having completed the ride or anything of that sort. I simply did the work.
Whatever wins, wins, of course, but I find either of the following more likely accounts of what this exercise of “belief” really is:
(1) What it feels like to single-mindedly pursue a goal.
(2) A technique to keep the mind harmlessly occupied and out of the way while the real work happens—what a coach might tell people to do, to produce that result.
In terms of control theory, a reference signal—a goal—is not an imagined perception. It is simply a reference signal.
At which point, we’re arguing definitions, because AFAICT the rest of your comment is not arguing that the process consists of something other than “forming a mental image which you are not designating false, and acting as if it is true.” You seem to merely be arguing that this process should not be called “belief”.
What is relevant, however, is that this is a process of compartmentalizing one’s thinking, so as to ignore various facts about the situation. Whether you call this a belief or not isn’t relevant to the main point: decompartmentalization can be hazardous to performance.
As far as I can tell, you are not actually disputing that claim. ;-)
You can’t call black white and then say that to dispute that is to merely talk about definitions. “Acting as if one believes”, if it means anything at all, must mean doing the same acts one would do if one believed. But you explicitly excluded betting on the outcome, a paradigmatic test of belief on LW.
Aiming at a target is not acting as if one were sure to hit the target. Visualising hitting the target is not acting as if one believes one will. These are different things, whatever they are called.
Even if you call it “froobling”, it doesn’t change my point in any way, so I don’t see the relevance of your reply… which is still not disputing my point about compartmentalization.