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• Our human utility functions are bounded whether we like to admit it or not. If they were unbounded, we’d all be broke from paying Pascal muggers. Even eternal suffering has a large but finite negative utility. Consider all the Christians who have believed in eternal torment in hell with probability much higher than but sinned anyway. You’re already much better off than they are (for one thing, nothing you do will make much of a difference to the probability of a mega-torture AI, so even if the idea keeps you up at night, it shouldn’t interfere with your everyday life).

Bounded utilities come from the fact that at a large enough scale, everyone is an average utilitarian, not a total utilitarian, and this average is taken across time, as well as across individuals. Eternal suffering just means that average utility goes to nearly the lowest possible value. Which is very extremely bad, don’t get me wrong. But it’s not infinitely bad.

There’s a fun experiment you can try at home with infinite expected suffering called “the St. Peppersberg game” [1], and it goes like this. You’ll need a coin and a selection of spicy peppers. You start out with 1 point. Start flipping the coin. If you get heads, double your points. The first time you flip tails, the game ends, and you must eat a pepper of spicyness on the Scoville scale [2], where is your final score in the game. If you don’t have a pepper with such a rating, then you must eat several peppers whose collective Scoville rating sums to . Buy more peppers if necessary. If the coin is fair, then a simple calculation shows that the expected value of is infinity.

• I don’t quite see how it’s bounded. If there’s 50% on option 1 which is eternal happiness or suffering and 50% on option 2 which is a lifetime of happiness/​suffering, how is option 1 bounded? (although entropy is present in everything complex and infinity isn’t supported by physics, let’s just say it is for the sake of the argument)

• After thinking long and hard it seems like the argument about continued consciousness is kind of undeniable and a good disassociation technique. I think physics is the best explanation we have for things and that it’s pretty clear consciousness is a physical phenomenon and nothing magical. Although a universe filled with infinite suffering isn’t any less horific, knowing that I won’t experience it helps me disassociate from that (basically impossible) scenario.