Quite often when given that problem I have heard non-answers. Even at the time of writing I do not believe it was unreasonable to give a non-answer; not just from a perceived moral perspective, but even from a utilitarian perspective, there are so many contextual elements removed that the actual problem isn’t whether they will answer kill one and save the others or decline to act and save one only,
but rather the extent of the originality of the given answer. One can then sort of extrapolate the sort of thinking the individual asked may be pursuing, and this is also controlled contextually. If they say oh yes absolutely I would save the five, immediately, then they are likely too impulsive. How they answer is also valuable, in whether they say they are ‘saving five’ or ‘killing one’, or explaining the entire answer of ‘I am killing one person to save five people.’ When answered like that, it has a more powerful impact. If more questions arise on the context of the individuals and whether the one life is more valuable than the others, that can also tell you about the priorities of the inquired, and often point out biases or preferred traits. Adding some elements to it would muddy the thought problem, but if you know the inquired’s preferences, you can make the question more difficult and require them to think longer: if you had to move a train over either five convicted murderers or one randomly selected office filer who was without family, then is the answer the same? What if the one person was a relative, or a loved one? The question gets easier or harder with further context; but that’s from a still limited, biased perspective. In no instance does the question become easier or harder, because the answers available are still insufficient to concern a critical thinker.
What is most valuable to hear is not any of those, but a strict perception of a third answer. Not considering the first two as valid, since they are so without context as to deny the context of the event, too. Although it may be altruistic for the one individual to accept his death for the rest, it would be a concern if a third party did not first attempt the difficult task of understanding a way for all six of them to survive, giving the best case scenario, and creating means to justify a better end, rather than accepting the means given to you and being told the results.
If x and y are the only options, if we declined to allow z, then we have stopped trying to think and have limited ourselves to a weak framework controlled in an unfair manner towards the inquired. If we never challenged this binary answer, I don’t think we would have some of the incredible alternatives we have. Though it may indeed seem like a dodge as the original post says, it’s a very thoughtful one. The most dangerous answers are ‘I do nothing.’ and answering too quickly. Inaction and impulsive action, even in a time limited situation, indicate a desire to either neglect the problem or to assume the answer. Taking Einstein’s quote and shortening it, if given sixty seconds to consider this problem, you/I should spend 55 seconds considering it and 5 seconds executing a solution, even if it’s a poorer one than desired.
Interesting old post, I just think the answer is irrelevant, but rather the answer any given person has for the question is very relevant. It’s difficult because the answer is obvious, but our humanity makes us doubt it as objectively true, and that’s quite compelling as a concept.
Quite often when given that problem I have heard non-answers. Even at the time of writing I do not believe it was unreasonable to give a non-answer; not just from a perceived moral perspective, but even from a utilitarian perspective, there are so many contextual elements removed that the actual problem isn’t whether they will answer kill one and save the others or decline to act and save one only,
but rather the extent of the originality of the given answer. One can then sort of extrapolate the sort of thinking the individual asked may be pursuing, and this is also controlled contextually. If they say oh yes absolutely I would save the five, immediately, then they are likely too impulsive. How they answer is also valuable, in whether they say they are ‘saving five’ or ‘killing one’, or explaining the entire answer of ‘I am killing one person to save five people.’ When answered like that, it has a more powerful impact. If more questions arise on the context of the individuals and whether the one life is more valuable than the others, that can also tell you about the priorities of the inquired, and often point out biases or preferred traits. Adding some elements to it would muddy the thought problem, but if you know the inquired’s preferences, you can make the question more difficult and require them to think longer: if you had to move a train over either five convicted murderers or one randomly selected office filer who was without family, then is the answer the same? What if the one person was a relative, or a loved one? The question gets easier or harder with further context; but that’s from a still limited, biased perspective. In no instance does the question become easier or harder, because the answers available are still insufficient to concern a critical thinker.
What is most valuable to hear is not any of those, but a strict perception of a third answer. Not considering the first two as valid, since they are so without context as to deny the context of the event, too. Although it may be altruistic for the one individual to accept his death for the rest, it would be a concern if a third party did not first attempt the difficult task of understanding a way for all six of them to survive, giving the best case scenario, and creating means to justify a better end, rather than accepting the means given to you and being told the results.
If x and y are the only options, if we declined to allow z, then we have stopped trying to think and have limited ourselves to a weak framework controlled in an unfair manner towards the inquired. If we never challenged this binary answer, I don’t think we would have some of the incredible alternatives we have. Though it may indeed seem like a dodge as the original post says, it’s a very thoughtful one. The most dangerous answers are ‘I do nothing.’ and answering too quickly. Inaction and impulsive action, even in a time limited situation, indicate a desire to either neglect the problem or to assume the answer. Taking Einstein’s quote and shortening it, if given sixty seconds to consider this problem, you/I should spend 55 seconds considering it and 5 seconds executing a solution, even if it’s a poorer one than desired.
Interesting old post, I just think the answer is irrelevant, but rather the answer any given person has for the question is very relevant. It’s difficult because the answer is obvious, but our humanity makes us doubt it as objectively true, and that’s quite compelling as a concept.