Most of the relevant knowledge I have comes from conversations with Tantra practitioners. Having orgasms without ejaculating is a key feature of red Tantra. It’s a general view in Tantra that ejaculation, both for males and females is to be avoided.
The testosterone drop comes after ejaculating and doesn’t happen for orgasms without ejaculation.
Rereading the papers suggest that you are right here and the testosterone effect is mainly a dip at day 7 with a few days in preparation. It seems like the nofap people are wrong on that regard and that might be where I got that myth.
Most of the people who experiment with Tantra or more secular with sexual bodywork don’t measure hormones directly but report their subjective experience. Maybe prolactin is what produces the noticed effect.
I don’t think that much is to be learned from reading papers who’s authors have little understanding of the subject matter and therefore don’t distinguish orgasm from ejaculation.
When it comes to measuring orgasm, using heat camera can be used to locate where in the body an orgasm is happening, so it would be possible to run good studies that distinguish orgasm and ejaculation.
There it’s worth pointing out that the strength of orgasms can vary very widely. Is not uncommon for guys to ejaculate while not having much of an orgasm. This might lead to those guys not getting the mate bonding effects that orgasms do have. It also means that the general release bodily tension doesn’t happen.
Most of the relevant knowledge I have comes from conversations with Tantra practitioners. Having orgasms without ejaculating is a key feature of red Tantra. It’s a general view in Tantra that ejaculation, both for males and females is to be avoided.
The testosterone drop comes after ejaculating and doesn’t happen for orgasms without ejaculation.
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Rereading the papers suggest that you are right here and the testosterone effect is mainly a dip at day 7 with a few days in preparation. It seems like the nofap people are wrong on that regard and that might be where I got that myth.
Most of the people who experiment with Tantra or more secular with sexual bodywork don’t measure hormones directly but report their subjective experience. Maybe prolactin is what produces the noticed effect.
I don’t think that much is to be learned from reading papers who’s authors have little understanding of the subject matter and therefore don’t distinguish orgasm from ejaculation.
When it comes to measuring orgasm, using heat camera can be used to locate where in the body an orgasm is happening, so it would be possible to run good studies that distinguish orgasm and ejaculation.
There it’s worth pointing out that the strength of orgasms can vary very widely. Is not uncommon for guys to ejaculate while not having much of an orgasm. This might lead to those guys not getting the mate bonding effects that orgasms do have. It also means that the general release bodily tension doesn’t happen.
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