Anyone can adjust their circadian rhythm by just going to sleep earlier, and/or by napping throughout the day in order to compensate for any sleep deficits; we should be raising awareness about these solutions among students.
No, they can’t. Students do nap during the day (that’s part of the problem!), and they can try but fail to just go to bed earlier. That’s why they don’t go to bed. If your claims were true, there would never be any problem and the experiments in changing school times would never show any benefit. There is a problem and the experiments do show benefits. You are just offering folk psychology speculation and fake willpower solutions which don’t work. People are not ghosts in the machine, they are the machine, and ‘just go to bed earlier’ doesn’t do anything about the zeitgebers and biology of the thing.
the experiments in changing school times would never show any benefit.
That’s not solid proof. What’s relevant is whether different school times can possibly affect things in the longer run, well after the effects of the transition itself are over.
You are just offering folk psychology speculation
“Folk psychology speculation” is a good way to describe the assumption that some teenagers are just “night owls” and cannot possibly manage to retrain their sleep cycle.
‘just go to bed earlier’ doesn’t do anything about the zeitgebers and biology of the thing.
“Just going to bed earlier” encompasses making reasonable efforts that might also involve changing these environmental cues and zeitgebers. Of course if your evening routine involves drinking strong coffee, “just going to bed earlier” might not work very well. The solution is to change that habit.
So, remind me, why does the West have that obesity epidemic going on?
Well, a simple conjecture is that many obese people in the West care more about their obesity being “accepted” in a way that’s fully open and free of “unwanted discrimination”, than about losing weight in the first place. (Many of them are also not too happy about being made aware of the clearly negative effect of being obese on their own health.) Such attitudes of entitlement seem to be a rather pervasive problem in contemporary Western culture.
No, they can’t. Students do nap during the day (that’s part of the problem!), and they can try but fail to just go to bed earlier. That’s why they don’t go to bed. If your claims were true, there would never be any problem and the experiments in changing school times would never show any benefit. There is a problem and the experiments do show benefits. You are just offering folk psychology speculation and fake willpower solutions which don’t work. People are not ghosts in the machine, they are the machine, and ‘just go to bed earlier’ doesn’t do anything about the zeitgebers and biology of the thing.
Do you see why this comparison doesn’t work?
That’s not solid proof. What’s relevant is whether different school times can possibly affect things in the longer run, well after the effects of the transition itself are over.
“Folk psychology speculation” is a good way to describe the assumption that some teenagers are just “night owls” and cannot possibly manage to retrain their sleep cycle.
“Just going to bed earlier” encompasses making reasonable efforts that might also involve changing these environmental cues and zeitgebers. Of course if your evening routine involves drinking strong coffee, “just going to bed earlier” might not work very well. The solution is to change that habit.
So, remind me, why does the West have that obesity epidemic going on? Clearly, “the solution is to change the habit” so why isn’t it working?
Well, a simple conjecture is that many obese people in the West care more about their obesity being “accepted” in a way that’s fully open and free of “unwanted discrimination”, than about losing weight in the first place. (Many of them are also not too happy about being made aware of the clearly negative effect of being obese on their own health.) Such attitudes of entitlement seem to be a rather pervasive problem in contemporary Western culture.
this is why we need downvotes