This word “fucky” is not native to my idiolect, but I’ve heard it from Berkeley folks in the last year or two. Some of the “fuckiness” of the dynamic might be reduced if tapping out as a respectable move in a conversation.
I’m trying not to tap out of this conversation, but I have limited minutes and so my responses are likely to be delayed by hours or days.
I see Duncan as suffering, and confused, and I fear that in his confusion (to try to reduce his suffering), he might damage virtues of lesswrong that I appreciate, but he might not.
If I get voted down, or not upvoted, I don’t care. My goal is to somehow help Duncan and maybe be less confused and not suffer, and also not be interested in “damaging lesswrong”.
I think Duncan is strongly attached to his attempt to normatively move LW, and I admire the energy he is willing to bring to these efforts. He cares, and he gives because he cares, I think? Probably?
Maybe he’s trying to respond to every response as a potential “cost of doing the great work” which he is willing to shoulder? But… I would expect him to get a sore shoulder though, eventually :-(
If “the general audience” is the causal locus through which a person’s speech act might accomplish something (rather than really actually wanting primarily to change your direct interlocutor’s mind (who you are speaking to “in front of the audience”)) then tapping out of a conversation might “make the original thesis seem to the audience to have less justification” and then, if the audience’s brains were the thing truly of value to you, you might refuse to tap out?
This is a real stress. It can take lots and lots of minutes to respond to everything.
Sometimes problems are so constrained that the solution set is empty, and in this case it might be that “the minutes being too few” is the ultimate constraint? This is one of the reasons that I like high bandwidth stuff, like “being in the same room with a whiteboard nearby”. It is hard for me to math very well in the absence of shared scratchspace for diagrams.
Other options (that sometimes work) including PMs, or phone calls, or IRC-then-post-the-logs as a mutually endorsed summary. I’m coming in 6 days late here, and skipped breakfast to compose this (and several other responses), and my next ping might not be for another couple days. C’est la vie <3
This word “fucky” is not native to my idiolect, but I’ve heard it from Berkeley folks in the last year or two. Some of the “fuckiness” of the dynamic might be reduced if tapping out as a respectable move in a conversation.
I’m trying not to tap out of this conversation, but I have limited minutes and so my responses are likely to be delayed by hours or days.
I see Duncan as suffering, and confused, and I fear that in his confusion (to try to reduce his suffering), he might damage virtues of lesswrong that I appreciate, but he might not.
If I get voted down, or not upvoted, I don’t care. My goal is to somehow help Duncan and maybe be less confused and not suffer, and also not be interested in “damaging lesswrong”.
I think Duncan is strongly attached to his attempt to normatively move LW, and I admire the energy he is willing to bring to these efforts. He cares, and he gives because he cares, I think? Probably?
Maybe he’s trying to respond to every response as a potential “cost of doing the great work” which he is willing to shoulder? But… I would expect him to get a sore shoulder though, eventually :-(
If “the general audience” is the causal locus through which a person’s speech act might accomplish something (rather than really actually wanting primarily to change your direct interlocutor’s mind (who you are speaking to “in front of the audience”)) then tapping out of a conversation might “make the original thesis seem to the audience to have less justification” and then, if the audience’s brains were the thing truly of value to you, you might refuse to tap out?
This is a real stress. It can take lots and lots of minutes to respond to everything.
Sometimes problems are so constrained that the solution set is empty, and in this case it might be that “the minutes being too few” is the ultimate constraint? This is one of the reasons that I like high bandwidth stuff, like “being in the same room with a whiteboard nearby”. It is hard for me to math very well in the absence of shared scratchspace for diagrams.
Other options (that sometimes work) including PMs, or phone calls, or IRC-then-post-the-logs as a mutually endorsed summary. I’m coming in 6 days late here, and skipped breakfast to compose this (and several other responses), and my next ping might not be for another couple days. C’est la vie <3
If your goal is to somehow help Duncan, you could start by ceasing to relentlessly and overconfidently proceed with wrong models of me.