I assumed this post was mostly aimed at the LW team (maybe with some opportunity for other people to weigh in). I think periodically posting posts dedicated to arguing the moderation policy should change is fine and good.
Worth noting that I’ve had different disagreements you with and Duncan. In both cases I think the discussion is much subtler than “increase standards: yay/nay?”. It matters a lot which standards, and what they’re supposed to be doing, and how different things trade off against each other.
Worth noting that I’ve had different disagreements you with and Duncan. In both cases I think the discussion is much subtler than “increase standards: yay/nay?”. It matters a lot which standards, and what they’re supposed to be doing, and how different things trade off against each other.
Yes, yes, that’s all fine, but the critical point of contention here is (and previously has been) the fact that increasing standards (in one way or another) would result in many current participants leaving. To me, this is fine and even desirable. Whereas the LW mod team has consistently expressed their opposition to this outcome…
I think this is a fair summary of what we said years ago. I’m not sure how much people’s minds have changed on the issue. I think Ben Pace’s warning of Said (you have to scroll to the bottom of the page and then expand that thread) and the related comments are probably the place to look, including habryka’s comment here.
Before checking the moderation list, the posts that come to mind (as a place to start looking for this sort of conversation) were Kensho (where I think a lot of the mods viewed Said as asking the right questions) and Meta-Discussion from Circling as a Cousin to Rationality (where I viewed Said as asking the right questions, and I think others didn’t).
I feel a little shy about the word “aimed” … I think that I have aimed posts at the LW team before (e.g. my moderating LessWrong post) but while I was happy and excited about the idea of you guys seeing and engaging with this one, it wasn’t a stealth message to the team. It really was meant for the broader LW audience to see and have opinions on.
I assumed this post was mostly aimed at the LW team (maybe with some opportunity for other people to weigh in). I think periodically posting posts dedicated to arguing the moderation policy should change is fine and good.
Worth noting that I’ve had different disagreements you with and Duncan. In both cases I think the discussion is much subtler than “increase standards: yay/nay?”. It matters a lot which standards, and what they’re supposed to be doing, and how different things trade off against each other.
Yes, yes, that’s all fine, but the critical point of contention here is (and previously has been) the fact that increasing standards (in one way or another) would result in many current participants leaving. To me, this is fine and even desirable. Whereas the LW mod team has consistently expressed their opposition to this outcome…
Would you mind quoting, anonymized if necessary? Mostly because I’m curious whether the summary will seem to me actually match the words.
I think this is a fair summary of what we said years ago. I’m not sure how much people’s minds have changed on the issue. I think Ben Pace’s warning of Said (you have to scroll to the bottom of the page and then expand that thread) and the related comments are probably the place to look, including habryka’s comment here.
Before checking the moderation list, the posts that come to mind (as a place to start looking for this sort of conversation) were Kensho (where I think a lot of the mods viewed Said as asking the right questions) and Meta-Discussion from Circling as a Cousin to Rationality (where I viewed Said as asking the right questions, and I think others didn’t).
Sure, I will see if I can locate some of the threads I have in mind. It may take me a day or several before I’ve got the time to do it, though.
Seems low-urgency to me.
I feel a little shy about the word “aimed” … I think that I have aimed posts at the LW team before (e.g. my moderating LessWrong post) but while I was happy and excited about the idea of you guys seeing and engaging with this one, it wasn’t a stealth message to the team. It really was meant for the broader LW audience to see and have opinions on.