You might look into all the work that’s been done with Functional MRI analysis of the brain—your post reminds me of that. The general technique of “watch the brain and see which regions have activity correlated with various mental states” is a well known technique, and well enough known that all sorts of limitations and statistical difficulties have been pointed out (see wikipedia for citations.)
I suppose I should be looking more into the matter, so I would be less ignorant. And I probably will too, and I already have, in a very limited manner.
There are some ingenious people working on the field, who’ve spent their lives studying this stuff. Would it make sense for me to study this extensively and try and confirm my speculations—when even as it is someone who actually is qualified on the field could probably tell in a few seconds if what I wrote here makes sense or whether it’s just wrong. Like someone who is familiar with the neurology related to diagnoses for autism, psycopathy, adhd etc. and knows how they relate to these brainareas.
Meanwhile for other people who are like me, vaguely familiar with some specific functions of the limbic system, it’s more like a thought experiment, try to envision these things as quantifiable phenomenom. And in addition I think it’s good to avoid misleading people by bringing up that these things are speculative and vague opinions.
Well, it seems you’re missing the point… But I’m not really an expert on this stuff. In anycase..
I’m not suggesting a way of mathematically calculating what a person is thinking when they’re feeling some way, as you seem to be interpreting this. This isn’t about studying the internal structure of neurons, either, or trying to figure out how each neuron is connected to all other neurons.
It is rather about emotional impulses and areas of the brain which are involved.
For an example, let’s say you get hungry. You start thinking about how to get food. When you start thinking about how to get food or what food is, that is very complicated and it involves neurons all over the brain, recalling places where you used to eat food, what was the last food you perhaps ate, whatever you happen imagine about them, their taste, the way it looks, the way it smells, how much it costs.… It’s very complicated. You’d have to look inside a neuron, try and understand how it works in tandem with the other neurons, how it calls some remote neuron somewhere else, and how these together produce the thoughts having.
But that’s not what this is about.
Instead it’s rather about simpler more abstract human level phenomenom. A person who would go to extreme lengths to feed themselves while modesty hungry would have something with them. This could could be explained simply by having a more intense sensation of hunger, which comes the hypothalamus I believe, there’s something there that measures I think it’s the content of the blood, I don’t nor can’t remember what exactly, probably sugar or perhaps it’s some sort intracellular levels instead of blood.. In anycase there’s an area which creates a signal when you’re hungry. This can be described as a vector relative to the intensity of your hunger.
Behavior that can be explained by extreme hunger would be explained by this particular vector. However that’s not really the entire point, instead it’s figuring out which parts are involved in restraint, decision making and so forth. Then we can notice that there’s an opponent-process style relationship with let’s say the orbitofrontal cortex, which is involved in decision making. Or perhaps ventromedial prefrontal cortex.
The potential restraint then also functions as a vector, which potentially counters the vector from being hungry. So we can also say that perhaps the person is not feeling extreme hunger but instead has a problem with holding back improper behavior.
So this isn’t really about trying to model intelligence or cognition, instead it’s to produce maps of this style of interaction in different kinds of psychological behavior models, which mostly have to do with impulses, impulse modulation, self-restraint and impulse control.
It is rather about emotional impulses and areas of the brain which are involved.
Given that you didn’t take at all about emotions, feeling or emotional impulses in the first paragraph about mathematical modelling, it’s wasn’t clear from your text that you want to investigate them.
This could could be explained simply by having a more intense sensation of hunger, which comes the hypothalamus
Basically you want a model of hunger that ignores what all those neurons in the gut are doing and want to determine hunger only by looking at what neurons in the brain are doing.
We live in a world where people in computational neuroscience try to use all sorts of statistics to get knowledge about mental states from fMRI information. Sometimes they even write papers that suggest that they can forecast the result of some personality tests better than the personality test themselves with is logically impossible. They frequently overfit their data.
If that community didn’t publish results that you can get the kind of information that you are seeking that because they didn’t manage to get results and not because they didn’t try and tortured their data to tell them something like you want to hear.
“Given that you didn’t take at all about emotions, feeling or emotional impulses in the first paragraph about mathematical modelling, it’s wasn’t clear from your text that you want to investigate them.”
You might look into all the work that’s been done with Functional MRI analysis of the brain—your post reminds me of that. The general technique of “watch the brain and see which regions have activity correlated with various mental states” is a well known technique, and well enough known that all sorts of limitations and statistical difficulties have been pointed out (see wikipedia for citations.)
I suppose I should be looking more into the matter, so I would be less ignorant. And I probably will too, and I already have, in a very limited manner.
There are some ingenious people working on the field, who’ve spent their lives studying this stuff. Would it make sense for me to study this extensively and try and confirm my speculations—when even as it is someone who actually is qualified on the field could probably tell in a few seconds if what I wrote here makes sense or whether it’s just wrong. Like someone who is familiar with the neurology related to diagnoses for autism, psycopathy, adhd etc. and knows how they relate to these brainareas.
Meanwhile for other people who are like me, vaguely familiar with some specific functions of the limbic system, it’s more like a thought experiment, try to envision these things as quantifiable phenomenom. And in addition I think it’s good to avoid misleading people by bringing up that these things are speculative and vague opinions.
That’s even the wrong set of people. For the question that you are asking people doing computational neuroscience might be the best address.
Well, it seems you’re missing the point… But I’m not really an expert on this stuff. In anycase..
I’m not suggesting a way of mathematically calculating what a person is thinking when they’re feeling some way, as you seem to be interpreting this. This isn’t about studying the internal structure of neurons, either, or trying to figure out how each neuron is connected to all other neurons.
It is rather about emotional impulses and areas of the brain which are involved.
For an example, let’s say you get hungry. You start thinking about how to get food. When you start thinking about how to get food or what food is, that is very complicated and it involves neurons all over the brain, recalling places where you used to eat food, what was the last food you perhaps ate, whatever you happen imagine about them, their taste, the way it looks, the way it smells, how much it costs.… It’s very complicated. You’d have to look inside a neuron, try and understand how it works in tandem with the other neurons, how it calls some remote neuron somewhere else, and how these together produce the thoughts having.
But that’s not what this is about.
Instead it’s rather about simpler more abstract human level phenomenom. A person who would go to extreme lengths to feed themselves while modesty hungry would have something with them. This could could be explained simply by having a more intense sensation of hunger, which comes the hypothalamus I believe, there’s something there that measures I think it’s the content of the blood, I don’t nor can’t remember what exactly, probably sugar or perhaps it’s some sort intracellular levels instead of blood.. In anycase there’s an area which creates a signal when you’re hungry. This can be described as a vector relative to the intensity of your hunger.
Behavior that can be explained by extreme hunger would be explained by this particular vector. However that’s not really the entire point, instead it’s figuring out which parts are involved in restraint, decision making and so forth. Then we can notice that there’s an opponent-process style relationship with let’s say the orbitofrontal cortex, which is involved in decision making. Or perhaps ventromedial prefrontal cortex.
The potential restraint then also functions as a vector, which potentially counters the vector from being hungry. So we can also say that perhaps the person is not feeling extreme hunger but instead has a problem with holding back improper behavior.
So this isn’t really about trying to model intelligence or cognition, instead it’s to produce maps of this style of interaction in different kinds of psychological behavior models, which mostly have to do with impulses, impulse modulation, self-restraint and impulse control.
Given that you didn’t take at all about emotions, feeling or emotional impulses in the first paragraph about mathematical modelling, it’s wasn’t clear from your text that you want to investigate them.
Basically you want a model of hunger that ignores what all those neurons in the gut are doing and want to determine hunger only by looking at what neurons in the brain are doing.
We live in a world where people in computational neuroscience try to use all sorts of statistics to get knowledge about mental states from fMRI information. Sometimes they even write papers that suggest that they can forecast the result of some personality tests better than the personality test themselves with is logically impossible. They frequently overfit their data.
If that community didn’t publish results that you can get the kind of information that you are seeking that because they didn’t manage to get results and not because they didn’t try and tortured their data to tell them something like you want to hear.
“Given that you didn’t take at all about emotions, feeling or emotional impulses in the first paragraph about mathematical modelling, it’s wasn’t clear from your text that you want to investigate them.”
Well, yeah, it wasn’t clear for you.