To clarify—Yes, this point has been covered in the community aspect section of this post. Just wanted to highlight the importance of this change and increase its priority. Most importantly, work towards a litmus test. One obvious test of course is to simply watch for the inputs coming in and check for their validity as a Bayesian would in any case do.
The problem with this is that you’ll probably be stuck in the middle of the argument already. So you’ll either have to press your point which you think is correct, or nod along for the sake of avoiding a painful argument (this has more to do with being socially acceptable rather than being right).
Screening for arguers is one way, but then you run the risk of interacting with a self selecting group. This means the same ideas end up floating around, which in turn means you lose out on the biggest advantage of community—feedback from an outside perspective. This to me seems like an unacceptably high cost.
To clarify—Yes, this point has been covered in the community aspect section of this post. Just wanted to highlight the importance of this change and increase its priority. Most importantly, work towards a litmus test. One obvious test of course is to simply watch for the inputs coming in and check for their validity as a Bayesian would in any case do.
The problem with this is that you’ll probably be stuck in the middle of the argument already. So you’ll either have to press your point which you think is correct, or nod along for the sake of avoiding a painful argument (this has more to do with being socially acceptable rather than being right).
Screening for arguers is one way, but then you run the risk of interacting with a self selecting group. This means the same ideas end up floating around, which in turn means you lose out on the biggest advantage of community—feedback from an outside perspective. This to me seems like an unacceptably high cost.
I think we both agree that the Argument virtue is better framed as a very important subpoint of the community virtue.
I’d also be interested in developing a way of checking whether an argument is productive or not, that would be a very valuable test!