(e.g. “clouds lead to rain”, “fire is hot”, et cetera).
I suspect the kind of opinion the quote is talking about is as defined here; a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. Neither “Fire is hot” nor “Clouds lead to rain” count as examples of this as most people have a fair amount of evidence on hand to back those beliefs up.
In light of this, could you please provide alternative examples of conventional opinions that were also held in the past?
I suspect the kind of opinion the quote is talking about is as defined here; a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
Adherents of rule #1, however, will never have grounds sufficient to produce complete certainty, in which case, “fire is hot” is an opinion by that definition.
However, a a pure counterexample rather than a mere logical knot:
could you please provide alternative examples of conventional opinions that were also held in the past?
Sure. “Murdering your brother out of jealousy is wrong.” That’s a fairly conventional opinion, no?
every opinon had once to be at least a bit eccentric by definition.
I’m having trouble parsing that, could you re-phrase?
Also it’s not so much about what I’m defining “opinion” to be, but rather about what the quote means when it says “opinion”. If we’re going to say that the quote is wrong, we should at least aim to attack what the quote is intended to mean, rather than what we can interpret it to mean.
However within a good deal western media (at least in England) xenophobic ideals are portrayed as to the “far right”, and essentially eccentric. Whereas back in the day racism/nationalism was normal, and to not conform to that was considered eccentric.
Also I was looking for something a little less general than just xenophobia, a lot of opinions fall under that category.
I suspect the kind of opinion the quote is talking about is as defined here; a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. Neither “Fire is hot” nor “Clouds lead to rain” count as examples of this as most people have a fair amount of evidence on hand to back those beliefs up.
In light of this, could you please provide alternative examples of conventional opinions that were also held in the past?
Adherents of rule #1, however, will never have grounds sufficient to produce complete certainty, in which case, “fire is hot” is an opinion by that definition.
However, a a pure counterexample rather than a mere logical knot:
Sure. “Murdering your brother out of jealousy is wrong.” That’s a fairly conventional opinion, no?
If you define “opinion” as something which is not obviously true then every opinon had once to be at least a bit eccentric by definition.
I’m having trouble parsing that, could you re-phrase?
Also it’s not so much about what I’m defining “opinion” to be, but rather about what the quote means when it says “opinion”. If we’re going to say that the quote is wrong, we should at least aim to attack what the quote is intended to mean, rather than what we can interpret it to mean.
Varying forms of xenophobia have existed throughout the ages and those ideas are still alive and kicking today.
However within a good deal western media (at least in England) xenophobic ideals are portrayed as to the “far right”, and essentially eccentric. Whereas back in the day racism/nationalism was normal, and to not conform to that was considered eccentric.
Also I was looking for something a little less general than just xenophobia, a lot of opinions fall under that category.
“Happiness is good”?
Not sure that quite counts as an opinion, but what the hey. Close enough.
The particular quote should be ammended to something like: